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1 hour ago, Counterpart2 said:
Win 7 has that. Do not enrcypt the files, encypt the folder. Right click..hmm..what is that in english….settings – advanced…there you have the option to encrypt…guess win 10 is similar
This will not benefit anything. WG is reading what is in memory and not what is on disk.
There was a micro patch today so they updated the mods folder. They have used this technique with WoWs since the begining.
6 hours ago, kurt said:…and if they write you must kill your kids you must do that cause they wrote that in the agreement ????? Evrybody can write things in a agreement but that doesn´t
Yeah that is stupid. WG is based in Cyprus and has legal professional who do their terms. They know what is legal in the countries they operate, this is not something written by a kid in his bedroom. These terms are well vetted and are common.
This is from the EU TOS – You get credit for unused gold and premium time that is all.
13. Suspension and Closure of Your Account / Termination of these Terms of Service
Termination for Cause
13.2 If such a termination for cause is prompted by a breach of a contractual obligation under these Terms of Service from our side, you are entitled to (i) a refund for any payments made by you for Gold that at the time of termination has not been used by you in exchange for other Virtual Goods; and (ii) a pro-rata refund of payments for any premium membership active for your Account at the time of termination. Other than that, you will not be entitled to any refunds or compensation.
6 hours ago, xporto said:I’m sorry dude, but there’s is no company that can made their own laws. No contract is stronger than a country law or EU law. As i said, they can say or write whatever they want, but once you bought anything from them and they accept your money, they are obliged to comply with the law, and, in EU as well as in my country – and i think it’s the same in any EU country – thing are as i said. There is a thing called “unfair contract terms” and those you’re saying are a great example of that, therefore, invalid under EU laws. Take in attention that i’m talking about players that had buy anything from them, not those who play for free. And even those players that play for free have consumer rights. You can google it, there’s tons of online information about that matter. Take a look at this link: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumer_rights/rights-contracts/unfair-contract/index_en.htm
But, also as i said, they will not accept it without a legal fight. It’s up to you to decide if that fight is worth it or if you have conditions of fighting it.Read the terms for premiums, you are not buying a perpetual right to a tank, you are obtaining the right of usage that is at Wargaming’s will. This is a common legal practice in software agreements and has been upheld all over the world. If you get a perma band, you can elect to have your account reset (forfeit all non premium tanks, credits, stats) and you keep the right to use premium tanks.
Not seeing anyone lining up to spend million to sue.
2 hours ago, xporto said:Regarding bans, temporary or permanent ones, i think soulza is right. First of all, if you have bought any premium tank before the forbidden mod list is published, legally they can’t say you knew the rules because there wasn’t any ! Even so, if they really ban an account on this base, they have to, at least, show you some proof of cheating. Their word, legally, is not enough and they have to send you the proof of cheating. In that case, it will be much easy for modders to know how they are detecting mods and i don’t think they want that ! In any case, you can always contest the permaban on legal basis and they have a strong chance to lose cases in court, if it comes to that point. As soulza said, just take one player with enough time and money to sue their ass. We must remember that Wargaming is a commercial company that aim to profits, and they have many millions, not a charity one ! Therefore, they are obliged to comply the laws and they can’t simply do what ever they want ! But guys, the fight will take from us a lot of energy, time and money… remember that before you decide to use or not to use mods.
You might want to read the agreement your accepted when you installed the game (it has also been updated a number of times). They can ban your account for any reason, and you forfeit all that you have. They do not have to provide any proof.
2 hours ago, blackhawk4040 said:I said I think the scam is to catch people using mods… In other words you open your firewall they say that you need to send them the log but it actually transmits it…
Your firewall is already open for the game no need to do anything else.
52 minutes ago, oldwarser said:it allso apears that a few of the well known XVM mods are now going to be conflictive ,,,, im not saying XVM will get you banned but it might…some further investigation is needed.
XVM has removed the one mod that was on the list, that was their reload timer. sirmax has confirmed that WG is OK with all the others.
WG Check Tool has been around forever. You can look at the file it creates. All it shows is if the res_mods folder is empty. The game itself has a firewall rule, it is needed for the tool to compare you game files to the WG versions to ensure there are no corrupt files.
You did not say what you think the scam is.
23 minutes ago, Death_2_U said:Every file in my ” user_data_object_defs ” folder is very, very old: most files are dated 2016-3-1; the most most recent are a couple dated 2016-5-18 and one dated 2016-9-28.
My user_data_objects.xml file is last modified on 2016-9-28.
So, those dates are too old to be the result of snooping?
Mine are the same dates. They can add a couple of lines of code to the program and read from memory, no reading from files is necessary.
1 hour ago, Sailor said:IDK, unless they are able to read the encrypted stuff in the login section of the file somehow.
Yes they can since they wrote it. It also stores your hashed username and password in that section.
1 hour ago, Apollo said:today morning i was seeing the same informer file…..mmmmm….
It is part of the P2P update process that WG uses for updates.
1 hour ago, Sailor said:Just a thought, not sure if it will work.
1. Install your legal mods.
2. Delete everything in AppDataRoamingWargaming.netWorldOfTanks. The game will recreate the files on startup.
3. Start WoT. Will have to redo game prefs though.
4. Close out of game. Don’t play a battle.
5. Go to AppDataRoamingWargaming.netWorldOfTanks, copy and save somewhere safe the preferences.xml file.
6. Install your naughty mods.
7. Start WoT. Tab out to desktop and then replace the current preference file with the one from earlier.
8. Play the game.
Like I said I don’t know if this will work as the date/time of the file changes everytime the game starts. If it does work it is kind of a awkward way of doing things.
The problem is that this section is updated every time you play a game or start the game. Most likely last p[played information. Why would WG read from a text file, when they can just read from memory, which is easier, faster and harder to detect.
10 hours ago, BigMike said:I totally agree with you 100%. People just need to police their WOT folder and stop spending $$$$.
Some more advice:
- Delete the updater.
- Did you download the “ace tanker” mod? If you did and you’re banned now, guess what you owe that ban to…
- Encrypt your replays folder or do the same as you did with you python log. Erase all contents within it, prevent anything from writing to it, and lock the folder (make it read only).
I personally typed F**k you. Eat s**t. with a nice picture to clear up confusion within my replay and python log.
Have you monitored your replay folder to see if anything reads from the folder? How would having replays help WG, they only contain telemetry data.
2 hours ago, Tankstuff.net said:Ok, just to join in the discussion…
First off all, a little introduction, I’m a lawyer from Croatia and a huge fan of WoT. Ok, so lets share some info. First of all, spying on the things you do on your computer without your knowledge and consent is a violation of your privacy rights guaranteed by the “Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms” and its Protocols. There is a thin line (well, more like a huge gap) on balancing the two rights, your right to privacy and their right to protection, fair play or how ever do they want to call it. Basically, they have more than enough government instruments at their disposal to stop you and make you do what they want (play fairly, hehe) legally.
The problem is that no one is suing them just yet.
That out of the way, second and a little more important thing:
A little birdie told me (lets call this birdie a WOT employee ;)) that they have some means to semi legal inspect what are you doing and what mods are you using. The main problem are owners of premium tanks. They paid for the product, and by banning that players they would be in serious problem for violating the ownership rights.
So, the intern instruction is, and I quote: “…bann only the users that you can pinpoint with 100% certainty and only bann them LIGHTLY. Under no circumstances are you to permanently bann users who have bought premium tanks. Reward premium tanks are excluded (stug IV, toldi III, even Dicker max, FV-4202 (P) and others that are obtained as a reward are excluded) so you can bann users that only have regular and reward tanks. But in any case, double check with your supervisor before banning anyone…”
A couple of things. They can legally read the memory that the game is loaded in, without doing this, the game would not run, and they can check that for mods. Most apps to something similar to ensure you are running a licensed version. They can not take screen shots, or capture the contents of your computer, these are both easy to catch.
As for premium tanks, you do not own them, you get a limited use license for their use, and WG can rescind for violations of the software agreement.
1 hour ago, soulza said:here you go preferences with login ifo one is a clean client and one has naughty mods ,side by side (click to enlarge ) they are DIFFERENT
Looks like that particular section is tracking login info and last log in. So we need the code to decode what is stored.
