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My new graphics card arrived today so i set about installing it into my pc.
let me explain first , we have two pc’s in our house (desktops excluding pads,laptops etc)
I only want the pc i bought the graphics card for to play World of tanks , and not a lot else , the second pc my missus has , its my old rig i tend to pass down anything that i have upgraded which is fine as all she does is play facebook games full stop , so its quite a good setup just for facebook
I am not too clued up on the hardware side of things , i know what is what etc but overclocking and stuff is above me ,
anyway my setup at the moment is
27 inch samsung curve monitor 60 mhz
madcatz V7 keyboard
razor deathadder mouse
1 x samsung 840 evo 250gb sdd
1 x samsung 1tb sata hard drive
16 gig memory
EVGA GeForce GTX 960 Superclocked GAMING 4GB GDDR5 Dual Link DVI HDMI DisplayPort Graphics card (bought today)
I previously had an R7 260 card installed and it struggled with tanks if the screen got busy i also had to turn the settings down to medium/low to break 40 FPS so this new card should have put me right
so i put the card in to the pc un installed the ATI stuff and installed the latest nvidia drivers,
started WOT and feck me horrible FPS like worse than with the R7 260 ? i had to go to work then this evening , but it was good for me as i stood back and thought about it , i think i had some ati stuff lurking on my pc that was conflicting so i decided to re install windows and begin afresh ,
i still had my EU WOT client on my second drive so fired up a replay to compare FPS
as you can see 30 fps gain already but also consider wot stores its cache file on your c drive so my preferences were wiped and this replay was playing on high settings not on my normal low settins
so i was happy with that ,while waitting to download WOT NA client i grabbed GPUZ to see what was what,
one thing stuck out like a sore thummb and thats the PCI-E speed , my micro motherboard (its tiny) only can handle x4 where as the card can handle x16 ,
to me that looks like a waste and was wondering about buying a new motherboard and cpu , my current CPU is a six core thing running at 3.7 numbers here mhz
but my motherboard is really small forget the make of it but can research if needed.
so here is the questions ,
would it be worth replacing cpu and motherboard ? if so recomends , remember i dont need very top of the range but i do need better
also the 2nd pc i have also has an R7 260 inside so would it be worth getting a board that supports SLI and putting the two R7 260s in ? for my missus to use ?
my current pc has a 500w PSU where as i put a 1000W PSU into my older PC , would it be worth swapping them out ?
help very much welcome
first of all. you my friend have a gamers dream pc.
and no you dont need to swap anything.
seems to me all your troubles are ither compatibility or configurations problems.
i say tinker with what you got right now and if noting works
then id try swaping.
all im saying is do your troubleshooting first and if that doesnt fix your problem ,, then try swaping.
hope i helped.
ps.
if you dont want your computer anymore ,,,,,,,, send it to OLDWARSER…hint,,wink,,wink,,
lol…:)
I would swap the 1000w power supply with the 500w I know the power supply is big enough but with the rest of the system you could put a strain on it.
3 hours ago, soulza said:what about the pci-e being only x4 and card goes up to x16 ? would i gain anything by getting a montherboard that supports x16 ?
I did the exact thing. I went from ATI older to gtx 960 and had the same issue.
ATI drivers bug themselves hard into your systems. What you need to do ASAP is download the ATI driver removing software. It forcibly removes the drivers. Then yo uneed to go int odevice manager and make sure nothing is robbing your video cards bus. Mine was sharing my new GTX with my ATI on the same bus and the card was essentially wigging out.
Next you do no need even close to 800 watts unless you are going extreme cooling etc. Gamers have this fear about low power and so they tend to put ton in power they do not need. For PSU`s you need quality power not quanity meaning a solid steady 500-600 watts for your card. NVIDIA uses way less than ATI and I run my 970 now on a true 550 and have 10 watts to spare at maximum esp since you are running your TV`s power separately right? Dont waste your money if you are.
Just add up appliances. AMD CPU`s usually are 125w under load. SSD are much less than HDD`s that actually spin etc. Anyways for your setup you sound fine, power wise.
Also while 2133 MHZ sounds cool, in practice it means nothing for WOT. In games that are done super well, it only matters by 1-2% and that is with maxxed out systems. In WOT you can use DDR2 if yo uare using a I7 thats overclocked and it will murder DDR 3 2133 MHZ super expensive ram with alower clocked CPU.
I cant say this enough but WOT is CPU CPU CPU!!!!! Once you have a GTX 960 and or ATI 380 or above, You are maxxed out and the bottleneck will always be CPU and Hard Drive.
The game only uses 2 GB of Ram at most and uses tons of HD space which is why its so slow. It also uses 1 Core for both Pysics and rendering.
Next, since our studies at RN`s about the truth about FPS, I have become an expert at AMD CPU knowledge and since I had the exact same card you did, the exact same 4gb EVGA, I can tell you my card never peaked out in use EVER. The bottleneck in WOT will always be the CPU.
And from tests, unless you have a late gen I5 @ 4.2ghz or a I7 at 3.95 GHZ ALL CPUS WILL CAP YOU OUT. Those are the only CPU`s currently that can run WOT at a never dipping 60 FPS at max settings.
I brought my AMD 8350 from 4 ghz to 4.4 and now run my 970 GTX on the same settings my 960 GTX ran and get the exact same FPS of 45-60.
What CPU do you have?
TL;DR im sure your low FPS is driver related. In fact im 100% sure.
THe coolest part about the new GPU upgrade soulza is using the games AA. Go turn on the TXAA-HQ and watch how amazing the game looks. See with low power ATI`s we couldnt use this, but with new NVIDIA you can…Its amazing how pretty the game will get, while not slowing up.
So first fix the drivers. Then turn up all the things like decal, and texture quality while not turning up anything that is actively moving like effects [This is CPU intense] The game will get amazig looking while keeping you from microfreezes.
Once you fix your issues and tell me the CPU, I will give you my exact settings. It took me days to get it just right, but its amazing now. The game went from DOOM graphics to Unreal graphics. And since then I wanted to see what it will be after the engine is completely and after looking at WOWS…Wow it uses 4 cores of load balancing and uses the AMD soooo much more effectively.
10 hours ago, soulza said:what about the pci-e being only x4 and card goes up to x16 ? would i gain anything by getting a montherboard that supports x16 ?
There are two things in that number, the x4 and the 1.1. You need to look at that while running the “Render Test”. My GTX970 at rest runs x16 1.1 while rendering at x16 3.0.
The “x” is the number of memory bandwidth lanes available to transport data. Lowering the number lessens the lanes and thus lessens bandwidth.
PCI-Express 1.0 pushes 250 MB/s per direction, PCI-Express 2.0 pushes 500 MB/s, and PCI-Express 3.0 doubles that to 1 GB/s. The resulting absolute bandwidth of PCI-Express 3.0 x16 is 32 GB/s.
With PCIE 3.0, the GTX970 will perform much better with a 8x slot and a little better than 8x in a 16x slot, depending on the game. The difference between 8x and 16x will not be much as the current cards can’t even come close to pushing the 16X PCIE limits yet.In any case, look at it while running the render test to see what the card can really do on your motherboard. If the motherboard cannot do PCIE3, there could be a dramatic improvement in replacing it.
@ storm
I personally no longer care for AMD CPU’s — and AMD is one of my customers (!). The problem is AMD just does not have the company resources to out-engineer Intel or even out-price Intel. As mentioned by Storm, the CPU is king, then comes disk and memory IO. WOT is very CPU intensive and relies very heavily on disk IO. The new sound engine probably helped those who were already limping, but I did not see a change.
Having said all of this, it is tough to say “Yeah, this and that and a dash of those will 100% crank your fps to 150”. I’ve upgraded to the Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MB with the i7 OC CPU (plus 32gb memory) but retained my original Radeon 7700. I see very consistent fps of 55-65 at high graphic settings but not the crazy 100+fps that others report. At this point I am thinking the grpahics card upgrade might do the trick — but your original post made me realize that I still had my 7700 in an x8 slot, so I just moved it and will test later.
Personally I would recommend looking at an MB that provides the x16 slot for the graphics card — and I would recommend dumping AMD. Just my personal preference. If you want to get really crazy look for an MB that has the M.3 slot (the Asus does). M.3 is the spec that allows one to insert an SSD **directly** onto the PCIex16 bus and make that SSD OS block device addressable. What does this mean? It means that one can see even crazier disk IOPs that with a SATA or SAS attached SSD.
AMD kick ass in other games TBH. I mean in games like Crysis and other Unreal ones, Intel simply cannot come close to the $ per Performance. But in games like WOT where single threading is king nothing but huge I5 Xeon and I7`s can really hang. Now my AMD is great now clocked at 4.4 ghz but it still is only equal to a I5 at 3.5 GHZ.
AMD is coming out with a badass new CPU that is going to change a lot. They put all ther eggs in this basket and if INTEL doesnt act liek the evil corp they truly are
it will give I7`s a true scare.
With its new Memory setup they are talking about 256 MB L2 and 512 MG l3 cache….I mean OMG. Also its speeds are not even measurable in now days speeds since the architecture is so small.
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/hbm
Look at that its 9x faster than GDDR5…Lol
ok been working again this evening and have to work tomorow evening , so not getting much free time since i bought the gcard , will have plenty of time come sunday to fully run tests.
so first test i have just run on a replay from when i had my R7 260 installed , note i have no mods running at this time so this is the native game client.
the battles average out from 80 ish frames per second in arcade mode with medium to high settings as seen below.
click on images for full screen size.
In sniper mode I get the expected gain and fps are up to 120 ish.
so i know that the card and drivers are working as it should be , i now need to start adding mods to see where i end up
i did note this morning when playing a few battles with all mods that i use installed i was running at a very good 60 fps even higher in places but seldom below 60fps , but on occasions the frames would drop suddenly to 15 FPS only for a second or two , i have a feeling that its to do with sound events as it seemed to be happening when i had multi sound events happening at the same time , i need to confirm this , will report back
4 hours ago, soulza said:ok been working again this evening and have to work tomorow evening , so not getting much free time since i bought the gcard , will have plenty of time come sunday to fully run tests.
so first test i have just run on a replay from when i had my R7 260 installed , note i have no mods running at this time so this is the native game client.
the battles average out from 80 ish frames per second in arcade mode with medium to high settings as seen below.
click on images for full screen size.
In sniper mode I get the expected gain and fps are up to 120 ish.
so i know that the card and drivers are working as it should be , i now need to start adding mods to see where i end up
i did note this morning when playing a few battles with all mods that i use installed i was running at a very good 60 fps even higher in places but seldom below 60fps , but on occasions the frames would drop suddenly to 15 FPS only for a second or two , i have a feeling that its to do with sound events as it seemed to be happening when i had multi sound events happening at the same time , i need to confirm this , will report back
Yes this is where you will start to notice the engineconfig.XML needs tweaking. Its all CPU when it comes to huge drops of FPS. I will send you all my tweaked engine confgi etc. It has much higher ranges for sound and now mine almost never drops
Now if you get micor freezes that is ram/SSD related but frops in FPS is all CPU bottleneck. Soulza you really need to run project lasso for tyour AMD CPU and have the game ran in bitsum hi perf mode…This is night and day diff from standard. It takes away core parking and locks them into performance mode. Ad makes sure to run nothing on the 2 cores wot is playing on
i have lasso
need a goos engine config and a screen of your lasso settings please
ahh!!!!!!!
i re configed my engine_settings.xml and tweaked a few things , ran lasso in samsung high performance mode ( i think i see this due to samsung SSD) mode and here are results , this was a battle i just played without the tweaks and like i said fps dip for a second or two
you can see below down to 16 fps i think this is multi sounds loading at the same time , so i increased the settings to load sounds to memory instead of coming off the SSD
<memoryManager>
<defaultPool> 40 </defaultPool>
<lowEnginePool> 32 </lowEnginePool>
<preparedPool> 316 </preparedPool>
<streamingPool> 16 </streamingPool>
<IOPoolSize> 24 </IOPoolSize>
</memoryManager>Results are stunningly good
no FPS drop off
Gentlemen this forum post if you have read it goes through step by step how to maximise what you have to get the best out of your system, if you THINK you should be pulling more FPS you probably should be
dont just settle for the results experiment and ask for advice like i have
Now having a new graphics card is all well and good as long as you can use the extra FPS
Here is my third battle proper this afternoon
not bad at all
10 hours ago, Jack The Ripper said:I cant remember which Cores that must be enabled/disabled. Pls post it.
Jack what setup do you have? Post it and I can tel you what to use.
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Nice to succeed.
This game on its own doesnt preload anything. And as fast as people think SSD are they are 100 k times slower than ram.
Remember everyone…Go to EngineCOnfig.XML and set “ForcePreloads” to true. This makes the game put the majority of sounds into Ram.
Im so happy for you soulza. It took me a while, but I have mine down pat. And now hopefully we can help others. Hell it took me a week to find all the tricks as now one really knew the answers, they just guessed at them.
Soul, please put on TS-HQ AA and tell me how pretty it is. IMO its amazing
PS
Now that you have a badass Over 60 FPS machine set buffering and tearing settings on and its even better. Wait what HZ is your TV?
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